Evan Sacks-Wilner is a sophomore at the Cincinnati College Conservatory of Music studying tuba performance. In this interview, Evan discusses classical music and its place in the modern world.

Can you talk a bit about the classical music scene?
The state of classical music is actually on an uprise right now. Everyone says that classical music is dying, classical music is dying. But this generation has started to get back into it. You’ve got two schools of thought really. One—and of course there are in-betweens—but there’s the the lil pump people, and then on the opposite end of the spectrum is us, the classical music people. I call us the pretentious classical music elitists.
That sounds like a fitting name!
Yes. And there are a lot more of us than people realize. The Cincinnati Symphony has been sold out pretty consistently. Meanwhile, there are other orchestras that will only get half of their hall filled up, and you hear all the time about orchestras going on strike because the people higher up don’t realize how much the orchestra, playing at a high level and getting great people, matters to the welfare of society, especially in cities. Orchestras start getting taken for granted. Meanwhile, a lot of the time, the orchestras are the first step of gentrification. Take the New Jersey Symphony. The NJPAC is in Newark. Newark is not the best area, and the New Jersey Symphony plays there, they play at the state theater in New Brunswick, they’ll play in Red Bank which is a little south I believe, and they play at Richardson. That was the first orchestra concert I went to, they were playing Firebird.
Going back to your earlier point that this is the first step of gentrification, isn’t it somewhat problematic that cities are being gentrified? Or are you arguing something else?
I think that as cities go further and further into becoming, I don’t want to say ghettos, but ghettos, like think south side of Chicago. There are murders and thefts that happen in that part of Chicago every night. Meanwhile, in Millennium Park which is somewhere in the middle, that’s where the Chicago symphony plays, and the Chicago Symphony was founded I believe in the early 1900s, and now that part of Chicago is thriving.
So you think that’s a direct result of the orchestra being established there?
I wouldn’t say direct but it definitely brought more, I would say that it helped the city grow into a tourist spot, I guess. Not really a tourist spot, but do you get what I’m trying to say?
Yeah, but it seems like upper level orchestras attract a wealthier crowd because their tickets are so expensive, so then if you establish an orchestra, you’re almost pushing out the lower class. Which is, I dunno lowering crime rates is good but crime isn’t intrinsically tied to any one class and it’s not good to push out entire people who can no longer afford to live where they’ve always lived because of gentrification. Because of the influx of wealthier people.
Ah. Well, orchestras are starting to have cheaper tickets for nosebleed sections. They’ll make most of their money off of donors. Student tickets for the Cincinnati Symphony are fifteen bucks. Another thing that students can do is, at the beginning of the year I paid 50$ and now I can get tickets for any concert this season.
What do you think orchestras bring as far as enriching the lives of people who listen? Do you think orchestral music generates more empathy or creativity? I know there are studies that say, if have your child listen to orchestral music, they’ll grow up to be a genius. What’s your take on all that sort of positivity toward classical music?
I mean obviously I think it’s good because I want a job. But anyway, I’m gonna answer this kind of in a circular way. I find that, take the military for instance. The military is the largest job provider for musicians, and you take the President’s Own, you take the Army Band, and they will travel to play for troops, and they’ll play for the community. Military concerts are completely free. If you go see a military band, it’s going to be for free. It’s what they do, and since they’re funded by the military budget they’re jobs are for the most part safe. And so they exist to lift spirits of people. Orchestras, I would say, do the same thing, but they also provide an educational aspect. They have outreaches, they’ll have little chamber music things where they’ll send a group of musicians to a high school or a middle school, and play things for them. I remember when I was in fourth grade a group of percussionists from I believe the Princeton Symphony came and did a demonstration of all the different percussion instruments. A brass quintet, when I was in sixth grade, played everything from the Simpsons, and they just explained what their instruments do. Kind of like what we did with the Kid Connection kids when they came to the high school. And they have these things called “Young People’s Concerts” or “Kiddie Concerts.” I got to play in one as a side by side with the New Jersey Symphony my Sophomore year of high school, when I first started taking lessons from Derek who is the principal tuba there. But you take a child to those concerts and you’ll raise them to love classical music, and it’ll help that era. It’s not just the music, it’s also the culture and the style. This music is 200 something odd years old, 300 years old. Think of, I dunno, the Beatles. In a couple years, they’ll probably still be around. Queen will probably still be around. Orchestras are just cover bands, tribute bands.
That’s true, I’ve never thought of it like that.
Yeah. You see this guy with a bunch of people behind him get up on stage in a white tank top and a mustache, you’re gonna know he’s impersonating Freddie Mercury. You see orchestral musicians come up in tuxes and such and most of what they play is historically accurate because that’s what the composer wrote down. So that’s essentially what we’re doing, is we’re just a cover band.
But with far reaching impacts? As you were saying with working with children, and bringing joy and happiness to the listeners?
Well think of this. When you’re listening to, do you listen to classical music?
New World Symphony!
When you listen to New World Symphony, take the second movement, the Largo, the English Horn solo.
Mhm beautiful.
Exactly! You’re smiling right now, just thinking about it.
Although you could argue that all music does that, not just classical.
Lil Pump?
Okay well you could argue that a good portion of music beyond classical does that.
Yeah, that’s true.
So do you think that classical is just the pinnacle, the best at making you happy?
We’re the OGs. But there still is new music that gets performed. Like think John Cage, even the music of John Williams gets performed by orchestras.
But don’t you think it’s harder for that new music to gain traction because of how popular Mozart and those big classical composers are, especially in comparison to the modern people who are trying to work up to that?
Of course.
So they don’t you think we’re always going to be stuck in this rut of the old classical music, and don’t you think we’ll eventually get bored with that?
Not if the newer music does manage to gain traction. But in order to do that you need to have newer music that will make you feel the same emotions that Mozart and Mahler and Bruckner make you feel. It’s all mood music, really. Nowadays, music is like (*bangs random notes on piano*).
I mean not all of it.
But there’s a good difference between that and classical.
Couldn’t you argue that there are definitely modern musicians who work more towards gaining popularity than creating music that’s beautiful, but on the flip side there are musicians who aren’t targeting classical symphony orchestras but are still making music that is at least attempting to be beautiful? Sia comes to mind because her music is written from the heart, it’s stuff that sounds pretty, and it’s stuff that some people can seriously relate to.
Well in a perfect world the ones that make music that comes from the heart should be the ones that are successful.



